Curse

Boondocksaints · Feb 17, 2006, 09:39 AM // 09:39

Scammers are pieces of %*#@.... the scum of the earth IMO.

Poison Ivy · Feb 17, 2006, 09:55 AM // 09:55

Scamming is just a short-cut to money, in a way that is abused by people who worked so hard for it, and they feel it it's unfair, eventually turning into jelousy.

Ninjutsu Honor Code · Feb 17, 2006, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by Rilder

Though I havent been scamed on Guild Wars yet i have been scammed on other games (particully Runescape) And letme tell you it hurts, losing that one item you worked so hard for, that drop of pure luck that makes you smile and be happy and your going to sell it for a great boost to your bank account and then its gone.... scammed all your hard work gone... It can send you into a pure state of depression hating people and being mistrustworthy.... Yes i know its just a game I DONT CARE if i get scammed of that drop of pure luck i'm gonna feal like crap like a knot in my heart... i've broken in tears cause i lost that item that i liked so much.... SCAMMERS SHOULD DIE , IF YOU SCAM YOUR A MORON, A MORON, A MORON, YOU SHOULD DIE!!!!!!! DIE!!!! DIE!!!!!!
SCAMMERS DONT DESERVE TO LIVE THEY SHOULD BURN IN HADES, STUPID 2 YEAR OLD PIECES OF CRAP SCAMMERS.... IF YOU SCAM I'L SEND YOU TO IRAQ WITH A TOOTHPICK DRESSED IN THE COLLORS OF THE TALIBAN.

I hate scammers.

Woa no shit (^-^)

FreTzer · Feb 17, 2006, 11:04 AM // 11:04

LOL

I got the same feeling....

I actually got scammed during the first trade I attempted, and to be honest, my feelings where very similar to Rilders. Even cost me a perfectly nice glass of coke, and it took me hours to repaint my white wall where the glass got smashed.

But when I calmed down I actually thought that I should send a big thanks to that guy, beccause he made me realize that there will always be assholes, even in an online-game, and you really have to be on your toes when you attempt a trade.

As a former poster said: fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame, on me.

I like the wipe account idea, a far better punishment than a temporary ban.

and for the record, if my post didn´t make it clear: I HATE scammers!

If any1 feels that this post was a totaly waste of time, sorry...

Peace brothers and sisters, cya in the digital world!

Stranger The Ranger · Feb 17, 2006, 11:07 AM // 11:07

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Originally Posted by Rilder

Though I havent been scamed on Guild Wars yet i have been scammed on other games (particully Runescape) And letme tell you it hurts, losing that one item you worked so hard for, that drop of pure luck that makes you smile and be happy and your going to sell it for a great boost to your bank account and then its gone.... scammed all your hard work gone... It can send you into a pure state of depression hating people and being mistrustworthy.... Yes i know its just a game I DONT CARE if i get scammed of that drop of pure luck i'm gonna feal like crap like a knot in my heart... i've broken in tears cause i lost that item that i liked so much.... SCAMMERS SHOULD DIE , IF YOU SCAM YOUR A MORON, A MORON, A MORON, YOU SHOULD DIE!!!!!!! DIE!!!! DIE!!!!!!
SCAMMERS DONT DESERVE TO LIVE THEY SHOULD BURN IN HADES, STUPID 2 YEAR OLD PIECES OF CRAP SCAMMERS.... IF YOU SCAM I'L SEND YOU TO IRAQ WITH A TOOTHPICK DRESSED IN THE COLLORS OF THE TALIBAN.

I hate scammers.

Talking about Runescape...the scammers where the reason I quit playing it...
My story:
I had a nice friend, and knew him for around 3 months. We where friendly to each other, and we helped each other with all kinds of things. Suddenly, on a certain day, he wanted to lend my Full Zamorak armor, I was in a dillema because I've promised myself never givng my stuff to some1 else unless I know him/her in real life....after lots of begging...I trusted him...well you know the rest of the story... Full Zamorak...my dream armour, I was very proud of it because I've always wanted it, and I wasnt very good at making money..all gone in a couple of seconds...He just logged off, put me on his ignore list and never spoke to me...he had a higher combat level ffs?! How sad is that?!
I've hated all people since that day, people are arrogent, and greedy, like they have no idea how it would feel to be scammed, to loose all stuff you've worked very hard for.

Now I only trust Guildies, best friends and people I know in real life.

And please, dont make this a Runescape is fun/Runescape sux debate, my post wasnt about RS, but about scammers in common.

- My spelling may be bad beacause I'm Dutch

-Stanger

Yakumo · Feb 17, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by shadowfell

scammers should have their accounts wiped, just so they see how it feels to start over from scratch... just in case they have forgotten.

That's too good for them... I say, let Rilder loose on them, that'll teach them a lesson!

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Originally Posted by JediKnight

Scammers should have their characters tweaked by Anet so that everyone could see them coming.

I like that idea... All their character's model/texture are overlaid with that of a leper... and when they walk about in a city, NPC's will shout 'UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!' as they approach.

FreTzer · Feb 17, 2006, 12:08 PM // 12:08

Missed that idea when I read the posts. Thats a really good idea. They will not be banned from the game, but the will have a hard time finding any team that would have them in their party. Thats even worse than getting banned or getting your account cleaned.

If Anet doesn´t like that idea, why not start a sticky where you can list the scammers? Then you can add the to your ignore-list. On the other hand your ignore-list will be a couple of miles long, but what the hell. But then again people might start adding the names of players they don´t like 4 other reasons than scamming, and that would be unfortunate, so maybe this isn´t such a good idea....

Arduin · Feb 17, 2006, 12:14 PM // 12:14

I have been scammed once (lost 45k), and happened to scam another peep in Ascalon 1 by accident: this person was buying Leather Squares for about 100g each. I traded this person 10 Tanned Hides stead of 10 Leather, because I was busy trading with another chap at the same time and wasnt really paying attention to that particular trade. Only a few minutes later I realized the 1k I was given for 10 Tanned Hides was a bit too much. So I contacted the scammed person, offered my apologies and traded the 10 Tanned Hide back for 1k. Ofcourse 1k aint that much to be scammed for, but I felt much better after I had given the money back, as I know how demoralising it is to be scammed

To focus on the matter of reporting scams to Anet: what if this person had taken screenshots from this occasion, and reported me to Anet? I was scamming him, so Anet would be right to ban my account. If there are no screenshots from me apologizing and giving the money back, I would still be the bad guy (guilty unless otherwise is proven?)

Gonzo · Feb 17, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

Starting a sticky is prob against gwguru policy, since there is always the change of wrongfully acusing a person.

I like the leppar idea.

FreTzer · Feb 17, 2006, 12:26 PM // 12:26

You are right, thats what I meant when I wrote that people might add people 4 other reasons than scamming. It was a crappy idea....

Bleidd · Feb 17, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

A capitalist economy thrives on stupidity and misinformation. Hence the phrase caveat emptor, e.g. let the buyer beware. I do not condone scamming; in my opinion it is no different than open theft. However, you have no one to blame but yourself if you are scammed. Personally I do not feel it Anet's responsibility to devote resources to the task of policing the community in this regard. Those of you in the US, take a look at what that kind of mentality has turned this country into. It lies with the individual to take responsibility for his/her actions.

glountz · Feb 17, 2006, 12:43 PM // 12:43

Hmm.
EULA protects scammers more than "honest" players. Beeing unable to do a witch hunt against a scammer (which is true in most MMORPGS) for the sake of "Privacy Protection" let the scammer community in perfect impunity.
Anet, in addition, ask for BIG proofs before taking any action against a scammer.
Some of my guildies at its beginning were scammed by a new member, he simply borrowed "some plats plz to buy my 15k armor", some gave him, he left the guild with quite a loot (more than 50k). I did not give him anything, being naturally suspicious, but even with some screen proofs, A-net couldn't do anything. (It was not a "real scam" as they were no proof money was lent instead of given.)
But it is to my mind silly to ask for screens on a scam, if you were scammed it's that you weren't careful, so obviously you didn't take screens. If you take screens, you are suspicious, and so you generally don't get scammed. It's an endless circle.
It is also IMO silly to ban people for scamming. It's a game, and a game behavior shouldn't have an effect on real life. Scammers should be hunt and punished in-game, not in real life. But to do that, witch hunt, community sticky "most wanted" scammers should be allowed. It would be interesting and fun to make, well some "Bounty Hunters Guilds" who would give money for taking screen of a scam or trapping a scammer. People could ask for scam report, etc...
Scamming in an online game should be fought online.
But to do that, EULA must be changed.

bulletsmile · Feb 17, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Well i HATE scammers, and what you guys say about that you deserves to be scammed if you fall for it! If you are for instance a runner, you can't see at any chance if they're scammers, it is the same with guild and guild halls.

Cérilia · Feb 17, 2006, 12:50 PM // 12:50

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Originally Posted by Feminist Terrorist

Don't parents teach their kids right from wrong anymore? Just because it's online, doesn't make it right. Not at all.

Well parents teach their children how to survive in this sad world. In RL "scamming" is how you get rich. It's not fair... but guess what? Life's not fair.

lg5000 · Feb 17, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by Despiar26

People that get scammed aren't stupid. The people that scam are, people like that are often the cause of somebody quitting the game...

Uh.. People who get scamed are stupid.

btw, you can't compare theft to scam, in a scam, the scammed party willingly committed the money/goods to the scammer, therefore, it can't possibly be theft.

Now, I'm sure that there are some people who get scammed that don't deserve it but in most cases, being scammed comes from being greedy. Anyone still get those nice emails from some high up official of an African country offering the 10% of millions in exchange for some help in transfering the money? That's a scam. Identity fraud likewise, starts off as a scam and more than likely (I have no idea) you're the one who is willingly giving away the information required for someone to steal your identity.

In relation to GW, well, in most cases, people have rushed through the trade and were scamed that way. In the case of 55 monks ruining UW trips, a quick set of questions before letting a monk on the team normally solves that problem too.. so it requires time and patience, but, it's worth it if you really hate scammers that much.

*shrugs* Use some common sense, which I know still gets taught these days, and you'll avoid most if not all scamming problems.

BlackOut777 · Feb 17, 2006, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Here are my 2 cents:

Here are the cliche's on the subject:
- What goes around comes around
- Treat others as you wished to be treated
- Walk a mile in the other person's shoes
- etc, etc, etc.

I'll give you an example (not quite a scam) - I was running for tips a few weeks ago and a guy accidently gave me 50K instead of 500g which is what he meant to tip and totally freaked out because he thought I was going to go offline and be like THANKS! In fact, I did the exact opposite and gave him back his entire 50k and let him tip me whatever he wanted (which was only 1K!). We all have made mistakes and/or get gotten scammed at some point or another by somebody. It doesn't feel good to all of a sudden loose something that you valued (whatever it was). Unless the item/gold/etc was just GIVEN to you by somebody, you had to have put some time into playing the game to have gotten it - so technically you "worked" for it!

Bottom line - IS it the end of the world if you get scammed, the answer is NO. Get back up on the horse and keep going. IS it wrong to actively SCAM somebody - YES. It isn't like you are "sticking" it to "the man" or the "big corporation" but rather to another player which isn't cool!!

Just my 2 cents!

Thorath Of Krosa · Feb 17, 2006, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Wow..... I was really happy with the posts that you all put up and the effort put into this thread and I totally agree with you all Scamming is wrong I just wanted to see if I was being a greedy person or somone with the image of a utopia on mind. I got scammed out of my first 3k as a noob damn near quit playin cuz of it so I thank you all for backing up my points. And for the Record I am not a girl

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 02:58 PM // 14:58

IMHO: Yes, scammers are low immoral people who are assholes.

HOWEVER:

IF you FALL for a SCAM it is YOUR fault, you hence DESERVE to have lost the money.

And consider this, you all bitch abtou scammers and hwo they screw up the game, but you want to know how scammers come to be?

(Using example from friend who did this and got banned)

1) People farm and spread word, said future scammer is poor and has no money for runes
2) He can now try to scam someone out of runes for desperation or wait it out
3) He waits it out
4) By the time he manages to get the runes and find a build that works. That farm spot has been nerfed thrice.
5) He is now poor again
6) Option 1: Scam for $$$ from morons who have macro farm bots and etc.
Option 2: Do nothing

This cycle continues until the guy had enuff, in the end he scams some guy, gets reported and banned.

Ironic, isn't it~!~

So please, before you bitch abtou scammers bitch about those whose fault it is that scammers exist.

And again before you bitch about "TEH OMGZ))RZ YOUEV NVER EEBN SCMAADE!!!!!"
I have, quite a few times, once out of a perfect 15^50 10/10 30hp+ stormbow, I however realise that it was MY fault for having let that happen.

It is a game guys, if you want to kill those who scam you, you REALLY need psychological help.

As i said it is a game, so just calm down.

Loviatar · Feb 17, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by lg5000

Uh.. People who get scamed are stupid.

btw, you can't compare theft to scam, in a scam, the scammed party willingly committed the money/goods to the scammer, therefore, it can't possibly be theft.

you are wrong on both counts

as to it not being theft check the penal code to see if it is

in this case an agreement is made on a sale of an item (or service) for a specified price.

it is exactly the same as if in real life you sold a gold plated item stating it was solid gold and getting the solid gold price.

they willingly put up the money to buy the specified item

if they didnt put up the money how could they get it?

if the buyer has proof the scammer goes to jail or other sentence given by the judge

what is stolen is possibly 100+ hours of work or longer that they used up getting that gold.

scammers are thieves.

no more no less

thieves

HDS · Feb 17, 2006, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

you are wrong on both counts
as to it not being theft check the penal code to see if it is
in this case an agreement is made on a sale of an item (or service) for a specified price.
it is exactly the same as if in real life you sold a gold plated item stating it was solid gold and getting the solid gold price.
they willingly put up the money to buy the specified item
if they didnt put up the money how could they get it?
if the buyer has proof the scammer goes to jail or other sentence given by the judge
what is stolen is possibly 100+ hours of work or longer that they used up getting that gold.
scammers are thieves.
no more no less
thieves

TO BE PROSECUTED YOU NEED TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CRIMINAL INTENT/KNOWLEDGE THAT YOUR ACTIONS WERE ILLEGAL. IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY SELF AWARENESS THEN PSYCHOLOGISTS HAVE A LABEL FOR YOU, COURTS DO NOT.

JESUS CHRIST, PEOPLE BEFORE YOU SPEAK LOOK WHATYOU ARE SAYING UP DAMMIT!

TO PROVE MY POINT LOOK AT WHAT KENNETH LAY'S & SKILLIG'S DEFENCE TEAMS ARE PLEADING/SAYING.

What you said is COMPLETELY different, you must consider that in GW all items have descriptions on them that SAYS what they are, IRL objects dont, if they did, which is what you would need to prove that scammers are theives in your sense of the word, then your example would be null and void due to carelessness on the part of the buyer who VOLOUNTARILY put up the money.

Sorry to burst your bubble but your example stinks, badly.

Again ill repeat, for it to work the way your midn wants it to all real life items would need TRUE and ACCURATE descriptions on them, in the case of the gold plated item it would have to say "Gold plated blah blah blah" now if the buyer is dumb enough to actually buy it without reading what it says it is not the sellers fault.